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Ilovebid
04-01-2013, 10:06 PM
I've been reading this forum and there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of positive talk about the bid channels. And whilst a lot of the criticism is grounded in fact, its not really valid. So I feel like I have to chime in and jump to the channels defence...

These channels are great. The bargains are excellent. The postage is fair. Peter Simons is hilarious. The telephone charges are reasonable. I've never seen an ugly female assistant. The jingles are catchy...I might make it my ringtone...

Moet&muffins
04-01-2013, 11:09 PM
You are in s minority but it's lovely to hear your
Comments even if some of it is Tongue in cheek!!

Ilovebid
04-01-2013, 11:21 PM
Tongue in cheek?! Heck no :happy: don't you think the music is catchy (it's on YouTube by the way...)

radio_dayz
05-01-2013, 08:32 AM
That's a cracker. It's the way you tell 'em!

Best laugh I've had so far this year! Keep them coming.

Paul_s
05-01-2013, 10:59 AM
I've been reading this forum and there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of positive talk about the bid channels. And whilst a lot of the criticism is grounded in fact, its not really valid. So I feel like I have to chime in and jump to the channels defence...

These channels are great. The bargains are excellent. The postage is fair. Peter Simons is hilarious. The telephone charges are reasonable. I've never seen an ugly female assistant. The jingles are catchy...I might make it my ringtone...

:mysmilie_483: :mysmilie_483: :mysmilie_483: :mysmilie_483: I love it when Sit-up management post stuff.

petpixie
05-01-2013, 11:06 AM
Flaming troll!!!:clapping:

tinshed
05-01-2013, 11:10 AM
I've been reading this forum and there doesn't seem to be an awful lot of positive talk about the bid channels. And whilst a lot of the criticism is grounded in fact, its not really valid. So I feel like I have to chime in and jump to the channels defence...

These channels are great. The bargains are excellent. The postage is fair. Peter Simons is hilarious. The telephone charges are reasonable. I've never seen an ugly female assistant. The jingles are catchy...I might make it my ringtone...

Peter if your going to post at least use your real name.

deedee
05-01-2013, 01:43 PM
Oh dear, here we go, I hope this one doesn't turn nasty la Kat Baker! or become defensive like Moetandmuffins!
Ilovebid, I don't know what to say to you. I don't think most of us consider the phone charges and P&P to be reasonable at all and we've uncovered some pretty unethical and nasty selling techniques (just check out the ASA rulings against the channels)
However, we're not spiteful or vindictive, we just want honesty, we want the truth and we are the first to dish out the praise and congratulations if a presenter does a good job.
Each and every one of us is entitled to an opinion but unfortunately the hard evidence is showing we're being ripped off with extortionate charges, blatantly lied to and even scaremongered.
As for Peter Simon being 'hilarious', I'm sorry, he is just an embarrassment and cringeworthy to watch. His sleazy inappropriateness and incompetent presenting is not hilarious, it's a sackable offence.

radio_dayz
05-01-2013, 03:16 PM
I must admit, Peter Simon can be hilaious.

Last night he was selling a Moissanite Ring. First of all, he called Moissanite the Moon Diamond, and that it's a very rare Gem. Yes Peter, a rare Gem that's man made! He later called it the Space Diamond (which is what it's called of course). When the price of the Ring dropped to around 600, he said "we are a discount channel and the ring would cost you many thousands elsewhere".

Well it made me laugh.

merryone
05-01-2013, 05:54 PM
It's clearly a wind up! I'm not saying I don't believe that there are people out there who like, love the channels, but I most certainly don't believe how anyone can even begin to think that a delivery charge of 7.99 on top of a phone call charge of 1.53 is a fair price. Any way cheers, you've give me and some of the others by the sound of it a jolly good laugh x

Ilovebid
05-01-2013, 07:37 PM
Actually, it's not a wind up - I can certainly appreciate why you may be a little upset about the way they sell the products, but it's fascinating to see the depth to which they use human psychology so intricately to push the products - they've thought of everything, and even when Peter Simons does have his little verbal diarrhea fits he's still throwing out random buzz words that encourage a purchase.

Lets take the postage though to start with, 7.99? Bargain. Get yourself a halogen oven, wrap it in a nice box, go to your local post office, tell them you want it delivered within 5 days, and you want it tracked and insured - you'll be truly surprised at how close to 7.99 the price is...

radio_dayz
05-01-2013, 07:42 PM
Then send an SD memory card in an envelope. How much is a first class stamp these days?

Enigma
05-01-2013, 07:46 PM
Actually, it's not a wind up - I can certainly appreciate why you may be a little upset about the way they sell the products, but it's fascinating to see the depth to which they use human psychology so intricately to push the products - they've thought of everything, and even when Peter Simons does have his little verbal diarrhea fits he's still throwing out random buzz words that encourage a purchase.

Lets take the postage though to start with, 7.99? Bargain. Get yourself a halogen oven, wrap it in a nice box, go to your local post office, tell them you want it delivered within 5 days, and you want it tracked and insured - you'll be truly surprised at how close to 7.99 the price is...

Bid use Royal Mail or Parcel Force, do they?

And they'll pay a company rate, at a reduced fee.

Which will not equate to what customers are being asked to pay. PER ITEM.

If that's what you consider a "bargain", I'd love to see what you consider extortionate :wonder:

Ilovebid
05-01-2013, 09:18 PM
They use an independent courier, and your correct in thinking that they will get a much reduced rate, in fact due to the volume I would imagine they pay a flat fee of next to nothing.

Consider this:
An item is 1p, the postage is 7.99 and the call is 1.53, so that's 9.53 in total - the total isn't usually that far off the going rate for the product (if you look on eBay for a lot of what they sell its pretty close to the mark) but its the way they break the cost down that seems to annoy people. If the same product was 9.99 with a free phone call and free shipping I doubt anyone would complain/moan.
The reason they separate the costs is for the same reason shops still put "xx.99" or "xx.95" on prices - it makes them seem cheaper, it's simple sales tact and its been around for years and will continue to be.
:happy:

Phill
05-01-2013, 09:25 PM
They use an independent courier, and your correct in thinking that they will get a much reduced rate, in fact due to the volume I would imagine they pay a flat fee of next to nothing.

Consider this:
An item is 1p, the postage is 7.99 and the call is 1.53, so that's 9.53 in total - the total isn't usually that far off the going rate for the product (if you look on eBay for a lot of what they sell its pretty close to the mark) but its the way they break the cost down that seems to annoy people. If the same product was 9.99 with a free phone call and free shipping I doubt anyone would complain/moan.
The reason they separate the costs is for the same reason shops still put "xx.99" or "xx.95" on prices - it makes them seem cheaper, it's simple sales tact and its been around for years and will continue to be.
:happy:

Actually i believe they do this so they pay less tax, as i'm sure P&P and call charges are not taxed the same as selling prices. Correct me if i'm wrong anyone, but i bet it's just another con from sh*t-up to make more money, whilst ripping the customers and tax man off at the same time.

merryone
05-01-2013, 11:00 PM
They use an independent courier, and your correct in thinking that they will get a much reduced rate, in fact due to the volume I would imagine they pay a flat fee of next to nothing.

Consider this:
An item is 1p, the postage is 7.99 and the call is 1.53, so that's 9.53 in total - the total isn't usually that far off the going rate for the product (if you look on eBay for a lot of what they sell its pretty close to the mark) but its the way they break the cost down that seems to annoy people. If the same product was 9.99 with a free phone call and free shipping I doubt anyone would complain/moan.
The reason they separate the costs is for the same reason shops still put "xx.99" or "xx.95" on prices - it makes them seem cheaper, it's simple sales tact and its been around for years and will continue to be.
:happy:

You're right, it is the way they break it down that annoys us,well it does me anyway. We just want a bit of honesty,how much do you want for the item, then we'll decide whether we can afford it, or want it at that price. Why do they have to play games with us? It's not been an "auction channel "for a long time. Fixed prices,clocks put a stop to that long ago,instead we have to go through a charade of the silly start price, a handful of cacophonous noises,agood smattering of bull (I'm going to do something I shouldn't ) until they tell us how blinking much they want for it! Some people may be fooled by it........and whilst it might be a common business model, I don't particularly like the idea of a company who base their sales around deceit,who are actively trying to pull the wool over customers eyes. They keep telling us they're a discount channel,why can't they just cut the crap and make a vague attempt to be one?

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 12:20 AM
Unfortunately that's the cruel world of retail...if they tried a whiter than white, transparent and dare I say completely honest attempt at selling it would probably be a far more popular channel...but they would be selling in the dark as they wouldn't even make enough money to keep the lights on! :happy:

The tax they pay would be the same regardless of what they call the charges - the are far easier ways to avoid the tax man, shipping from abroad, registering outside the UK etc etc...they don't do this, in fact you can download the accounts from companies house for just 1 (no p+p or phone call charges!)

And it's not a wind up...

As for the Elvis stuff, it was worthless crap, I like it when Peter has to sell something like that, something other than jewellery or perfume, he goes off the rails into BS overdrive! Hilarious. If your on Twitter check out @petersimonsays - I don't know who has the time to do but it's a great repository of Petenglish

Enigma
06-01-2013, 04:35 AM
They use an independent courier, and your correct in thinking that they will get a much reduced rate, in fact due to the volume I would imagine they pay a flat fee of next to nothing.

Consider this:
An item is 1p, the postage is 7.99 and the call is 1.53, so that's 9.53 in total - the total isn't usually that far off the going rate for the product (if you look on eBay for a lot of what they sell its pretty close to the mark) but its the way they break the cost down that seems to annoy people. If the same product was 9.99 with a free phone call and free shipping I doubt anyone would complain/moan.
The reason they separate the costs is for the same reason shops still put "xx.99" or "xx.95" on prices - it makes them seem cheaper, it's simple sales tact and its been around for years and will continue to be.
:happy:

But Bid go one further don't they?

Rather than admit straight up that with the pricey phone call and postage on top they're the same as anywhere else, they bang on and on about the item price alone making the purchase a bargain.

And that's a LIE: unless you buy online you still have the phone call charge, and the extortionate per item postage anyway which is not voluntary.

Now, isn't obtaining money through false pretences known as fraud? And isn't that illegal?

If you're happy for Bid to lie to viewers just to stay afloat, then that's your decision. I'm just glad the ASA agrees with me and not you.

merryone
06-01-2013, 08:42 AM
Unfortunately that's the cruel world of retail...if they tried a whiter than white, transparent and dare I say completely honest attempt at selling it would probably be a far more popular channel...but they would be selling in the dark as they wouldn't even make enough money to keep the lights on! :happy:

The tax they pay would be the same regardless of what they call the charges - the are far easier ways to avoid the tax man, shipping from abroad, registering outside the UK etc etc...they don't do this, in fact you can download the accounts from companies house for just 1 (no p+p or phone call charges!)

And it's not a wind up...

As for the Elvis stuff, it was worthless crap, I like it when Peter has to sell something like that, something other than jewellery or perfume, he goes off the rails into BS overdrive! Hilarious. If your on Twitter check out @petersimonsays - I don't know who has the time to do but it's a great repository of Petenglish

Wouldn't that mean more sales? Most of the folk on here have said that if they showed a bit more integrity they'd be more likely to buy stuff from them, and we're only the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure many others are the same. It's not as if they'd lose their elderly and vulnerable customers, they will still buy stuff they don't need from shopping channels and catalogues, this sort of thing is commonplace, but better they haven't had the living daylights frightened out of them as well, or been ripped off. Yes I'd rather have the charges put onto the product and pay a reasonable postage and packaging charge, and perhaps their frequent sales could consist of free p&p days, and geniune end of line stock. Some of these so called sales have involved the prices going up, how ridiculous is that?

Nikki's right, if they've got to be dishonest to stay afloat, then there's not a lot of hope for them!

Paul_s
06-01-2013, 09:14 AM
@ILoveBid

Are you for real? OK, let's put it another way.

Bexi multi-buy's 9 x Tanzanite Rings which have a net weight of, let's say 200g.

Postage is calculated at 7.99 per ITEM = 71.91. Are you saying that is fair?

Royal Mail Special Delivery for an item weighing 200g = 6.35. Jiffy bag is around 25p. Cardboard box - 1?

Hillary
06-01-2013, 09:27 AM
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with what you say Ilovebid. But this is my experience:

I bought ( when we first had freeview and I discovered bid and pricedrop) an, I quote 'top of the range sapphire ring. Take this to any jewelers and they will value it at a price far above what you paid' So, when we received it and compared it to my other sapphire ring, my husband did, and what do you know... it was a 'chip' of poor quality sapphire, slightly above industrial quality and hardly worth the postage let alone the price. We sent it back with a jewelers report and eventually got our money back.

Paul_s
06-01-2013, 09:54 AM
This is the thing, when James Russell (primary example) states that you should goto your jeweller to get it valued 9 times out of 10 I bet the majority don't.

Most folk wouldn't have the time to do that kind of thing with work, kids et al. They take the presenters at face value and trust them... when in reality they are being deceived.

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 10:12 AM
But Bid go one further don't they?

Rather than admit straight up that with the pricey phone call and postage on top they're the same as anywhere else, they bang on and on about the item price alone making the purchase a bargain.

And that's a LIE: unless you buy online you still have the phone call charge, and the extortionate per item postage anyway which is not voluntary.

Now, isn't obtaining money through false pretences known as fraud? And isn't that illegal?

If you're happy for Bid to lie to viewers just to stay afloat, then that's your decision. I'm just glad the ASA agrees with me and not you.

Your not a fan are you? :blush:
With regards the costs of the products versus the postage etc, the information is clearly displayed in large enough font, prominently on the screen and some of the presenters have even recently started to compare the price of the product including the cost of the shipping and the call. I wouldn't say this is a rare moment of the transparency you'd like but more likely a well placed test to see how mentioning that information verbally effects sales.

Lies? Certainly not. Do they bend the truth a little when selling? Certainly do. Illegal? No way.

The ASA is a toothless, powerless organisation that would uphold anything, I wouldn't take much comfort in them agreeing with your stance. Try it, put in a complaint about this post - I bet they uphold it :-)

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 10:22 AM
This is the thing, when James Russell (primary example) states that you should goto your jeweller to get it valued 9 times out of 10 I bet the majority don't.

Most folk wouldn't have the time to do that kind of thing with work, kids et al. They take the presenters at face value and trust them... when in reality they are being deceived.

Now here is a good point - your correct, they know the jewellery isn't worth what your paying a lot of the time (unless its an investment piece for your great great great great great granddaughter) but by vaguely implying that its worth more, not factually saying that it is and then they get away with it. Also, by strongly encouraging you to go get the item valued, together with our protection under the Distance Selling Regulations (right of return), they can use these tactics till pigs fly and the reality is that as much as the ASA, Trading Standards or anyone else moan, there's not an awful lot that can be done about it.

This is genius on there part. At the end of day, if people genuinely don't like the stuff, or get it valued and then return it they will sell less and eventually change the product or the tactic - this is another one for the free market economy to sort out folks.

Also, if you haven't seen it, have a look online for the South Park Episode 'cash for gold'. It sums up the shopping channel industry perfectly -and is hilarious and sad in equal measure too!

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 10:34 AM
This is the thing, when James Russell (primary example) states that you should goto your jeweller to get it valued 9 times out of 10 I bet the majority don't.

Most folk wouldn't have the time to do that kind of thing with work, kids et al. They take the presenters at face value and trust them... when in reality they are being deceived.

I can understand that, I think if I was to buy jewellery off them it'd be because I like the look of it (for the girlfriend of course) wouldn't necessarily be too bothered about the value of it considering the total cost would most likely be under 30-40. It's a little naughty when the call a 20 piece of tac an investment piece (always makes me chuckle).

I did once buy a watch from them back in 2002, when it arrived it was a nice watch but the watch face was the size of Big Ben and looked daft on me, it was only about 20 so I gave it to a relative with fat wrists. I haven't bought a watch from them since for this reason. Did buy a drill though a while back, bargain and still going strong.
:nod:

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 10:40 AM
@ILoveBid

Are you for real? OK, let's put it another way.

Bexi multi-buy's 9 x Tanzanite Rings which have a net weight of, let's say 200g.

Postage is calculated at 7.99 per ITEM = 71.91. Are you saying that is fair?

Royal Mail Special Delivery for an item weighing 200g = 6.35. Jiffy bag is around 25p. Cardboard box - 1?

The way they break it down does not reflect the actual cost incurred, I agree with that but when you look at the transaction as a whole, Bexi is getting 9 timeless, attractive, stunning, gorgeous, awe-inspiring, top quality Tanzanite rings for just 7.99 each, a bargain and an investment. In fact if you have any savings or you are in a position to re mortgage I would release the cash and sink it all into these Tanzanite rings - that'll be your pension sorted!
:grin:

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 10:47 AM
Wouldn't that mean more sales? Most of the folk on here have said that if they showed a bit more integrity they'd be more likely to buy stuff from them, and we're only the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure many others are the same. It's not as if they'd lose their elderly and vulnerable customers, they will still buy stuff they don't need from shopping channels and catalogues, this sort of thing is commonplace, but better they haven't had the living daylights frightened out of them as well, or been ripped off. Yes I'd rather have the charges put onto the product and pay a reasonable postage and packaging charge, and perhaps their frequent sales could consist of free p&p days, and geniune end of line stock. Some of these so called sales have involved the prices going up, how ridiculous is that?

Nikki's right, if they've got to be dishonest to stay afloat, then there's not a lot of hope for them!

Nature of the beast I'm afraid. It would be nice to see them try something different though (like complete honesty) on the speed auction channel. I can't see what they have to lose, I can't imagine that channel pays for itself anyway. I'd love to see rising price auctions again, or some sort of shopping/gambling channel hybrid whee you have 5 minutes per item to ring and 'enter'. At the end of the 5 minutes a random list of winners are drawn and get the item for the cost of the call. You could vary the cost of the call, time to call and quantity to create very exciting channel. I you really want the item call a few times. Can you imagine if they had 50 Tanzanite rings on and it was 10p a call, don't tell me you wouldn't phone up and enter for the sake of 10p? Addictive.

Price Plunge
06-01-2013, 11:41 AM
The way they break it down does not reflect the actual cost incurred, I agree with that but when you look at the transaction as a whole, Bexi is getting 9 timeless, attractive, stunning, gorgeous, awe-inspiring, top quality Tanzanite rings for just 7.99 each, a bargain and an investment. In fact if you have any savings or you are in a position to re mortgage I would release the cash and sink it all into these Tanzanite rings - that'll be your pension sorted!
:grin:
:mysmilie_15:

Presumably your opinion is just as valid as someone else's comment on Facebook (now deleted) who bought an item of jewellery featuring AAA Tanzanite from Bid, had it valued by a jeweller and was told that it was worth the pension-busting sum of 10. Of course the person in question could work for a rival channel, but let's face it, that's no more likely than you being a Bid Shopping employee, is it? :wink:

merryone
06-01-2013, 12:35 PM
The way they break it down does not reflect the actual cost incurred, I agree with that but when you look at the transaction as a whole, Bexi is getting 9 timeless, attractive, stunning, gorgeous, awe-inspiring, top quality Tanzanite rings for just 7.99 each, a bargain and an investment. In fact if you have any savings or you are in a position to re mortgage I would release the cash and sink it all into these Tanzanite rings - that'll be your pension sorted!
:grin:

What a great idea!!!! I think if you invested in a thousand tanzanite rings from the bid channels, it wouldn't give you enough return to buy a wet and windy weekend in Bognor to enjoy in your dotage! If you're seriously for real with what you say, then you should try your hand at stand up comedy, you could do very well lol!

Enigma
06-01-2013, 01:10 PM
Do not feed the trolls :taphead:

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 03:47 PM
:mysmilie_15:

Presumably your opinion is just as valid as someone else's comment on Facebook (now deleted) who bought an item of jewellery featuring AAA Tanzanite from Bid, had it valued by a jeweller and was told that it was worth the pension-busting sum of 10. Of course the person in question could work for a rival channel, but let's face it, that's no more likely than you being a Bid Shopping employee, is it? :wink:

Not sure about working for them but I'd love to have a go at flogging some stuff on air:

"I'm going to tell you now that you have to buy this halogen heater, it's so cheap, we're selling it at a loss because we care for you and want you to be warm - if you do not multi-buy two of or more of these for every room in your house then you are going to DIE, you are going to DIE (cue the music) dial 0904 251 2000 and press 1 to confirm if you want to ever see your grandchildren again".

merryone
06-01-2013, 04:13 PM
That's pretty much what they do any way, you'd fit in well. Perhaps you may have to tone it down a little bit...You don't have to tell 'em they're going to die, you merely have to imply it!...oh and add a few personal anecdotes about elderly relatives who have come a cropper!....Great selling techniques, I think NOT!

Paul_s
06-01-2013, 05:21 PM
This thread disturbs me on so many levels :mysmilie_850:

Enigma
06-01-2013, 05:44 PM
This thread disturbs me on so many levels :mysmilie_850:

It's a wind up. Someone's come on here to get a reaction, and they're getting it.

I'm not playing any more

Paul_s
06-01-2013, 06:00 PM
It's a wind up. Someone's come on here to get a reaction, and they're getting it.

I'm not playing any more

:giggle: me neither! Do you fancy an ice cream or a yonana's? :whew:

Enigma
06-01-2013, 06:56 PM
:giggle: me neither! Do you fancy an ice cream or a yonana's? :whew:

Not if Wayne's making it! :sweat:

Paul_s
06-01-2013, 07:10 PM
Not if Wayne's making it! :sweat:

Sod that for a game of chess... I'll goto the Co-op and get some Haagen Dazs/Ben & Jerry's :handshake:

Price Plunge
06-01-2013, 07:38 PM
It's a wind up. Someone's come on here to get a reaction, and they're getting it.

I'm not playing any more
Making a controversial statement (especially for a newcomer), then subsequently turning it into a joke...classic forum trolling behaviour. Please ignore them.

Ilovebid
06-01-2013, 11:14 PM
Ouch. Really I'm not trolling (what's trolling?). It's not really a controversial statement at all, I don't think the channels are anywhere near as bad as you make out and I'm confident I can defend the tactics to the point where any reasonable person would have to agree with me.

I'm making light of it because I'm a newcomer and don't want to get into a heated argument thus annoying long time members.

Bexi
07-01-2013, 12:09 AM
Are you for real? OK, let's put it another way.

Bexi multi-buy's 9 x Tanzanite Rings which have a net weight of, let's say 200g.


How the feck did you know about that? I didn't tell a soul :blush:

aqua
07-01-2013, 03:14 AM
[QUOTE=Ilovebid;638162]Ouch. Really I'm not trolling (what's trolling?). It's not really a controversial statement at all, I don't think the channels are anywhere near as bad as you make out and I'm confident I can defend the tactics to the point where any reasonable person would have to agree with me.

I'm making light of it because I'm a newcomer and don't want to get into a heated argument thus annoying long time members.[/Q


@Ilovebid


Firstly let me give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are not in some way affiliated to,or acting on behalf of Bid (and it's only an assumption-I'm far from convinced that you don't have an interest that you are not declaring).
You say that you can justify the tactics to the satisfaction of any reasonable person,so perhaps you can start with this one.
Bid sell cheap mass produced Chinese watches which are branded with various made up names often Italian sounding.Two examples are 'Roberto Vecci' and 'Gianni Sabatini'.Others include 'Thomas Earnshaw' and 'Christin Lars'
These are repeatedly described by Bid presenter James Russell as (and I quote)
'The epitome of Italan chic'
'Made not in a factory,but in a workshop by horologists who are passionate about what they do'
As having a strap 'made from hand-stitched Italian leather'
and a 'historic heritage'.
As 'premiered at the Basel watch show'.
In fact all of the above claims are entirely false,so I would be most interested to hear your defence of what is patently bent selling.
There are so many examples of lies and deceipt in the back posts of this forum that it would take a number of full working days to acquaint yourself with them,however I suggest you begin by googling 'Bid TV ASA' and read how the tactics you so admire failed to win the support of the regulatory body on a variety of misrepresentations.
I look forward to you returning to the forum when can provide a detailed rebuttal of specific charges of mis-selling rather than the fatuous and airy fairy generalisations that you have mustered thus far.

Ilovebid
08-01-2013, 10:53 PM
[QUOTE=Ilovebid;638162]Ouch. Really I'm not trolling (what's trolling?). It's not really a controversial statement at all, I don't think the channels are anywhere near as bad as you make out and I'm confident I can defend the tactics to the point where any reasonable person would have to agree with me.

I'm making light of it because I'm a newcomer and don't want to get into a heated argument thus annoying long time members.[/Q


@Ilovebid


Firstly let me give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are not in some way affiliated to,or acting on behalf of Bid (and it's only an assumption-I'm far from convinced that you don't have an interest that you are not declaring).
You say that you can justify the tactics to the satisfaction of any reasonable person,so perhaps you can start with this one.
Bid sell cheap mass produced Chinese watches which are branded with various made up names often Italian sounding.Two examples are 'Roberto Vecci' and 'Gianni Sabatini'.Others include 'Thomas Earnshaw' and 'Christin Lars'
These are repeatedly described by Bid presenter James Russell as (and I quote)
'The epitome of Italan chic'
'Made not in a factory,but in a workshop by horologists who are passionate about what they do'
As having a strap 'made from hand-stitched Italian leather'
and a 'historic heritage'.
As 'premiered at the Basel watch show'.
In fact all of the above claims are entirely false,so I would be most interested to hear your defence of what is patently bent selling.
There are so many examples of lies and deceipt in the back posts of this forum that it would take a number of full working days to acquaint yourself with them,however I suggest you begin by googling 'Bid TV ASA' and read how the tactics you so admire failed to win the support of the regulatory body on a variety of misrepresentations.
I look forward to you returning to the forum when can provide a detailed rebuttal of specific charges of mis-selling rather than the fatuous and airy fairy generalisations that you have mustered thus far.


Thanks for the benefit of the doubt:-)
I can categorically assure you I have no affiliation to the channel in any way.

Ok, give me a specific complaint you have, and I'll see what I can do.

Enigma
09-01-2013, 08:42 PM
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt:-)
I can categorically assure you I have no affiliation to the channel in any way.

Ok, give me a specific complaint you have, and I'll see what I can do.

Yet you're VERY determined to prove Bid to be whiter than white.

Interesting for someone with no ties to the channel. Or the sit-up organisation?

How magnanimous of you :nod:

Adam82
09-01-2013, 09:14 PM
Funniest post on here please do me a favour situp tv HONEST yer right, pigs might fly.Come on these channels are clearly dying a small painful death, time is up for the likes of Peter Simon and Sally Jaxx thanks especially Jaxx ruined bidtv with there crap fashion ranges, I'd rather buy from the shops then buy from them.Ive never and will never buy from these ghastly channels, it's over now.oh no becque on tonight bloody Mark Reyes on AGAIN AND I hate these new presenters get rid.Not hardly watching theses fools any longer.

Flying Pigs
09-01-2013, 09:27 PM
Now be careful what you are saying about pigs please!

Ilovebid
10-01-2013, 12:22 AM
Yet you're VERY determined to prove Bid to be whiter than white.

Interesting for someone with no ties to the channel. Or the sit-up organisation?

How magnanimous of you :nod:

Ah, but I'm not saying they are whiter than white - but they are not worthy of the criticism some people afford them.

Ilovebid
10-01-2013, 12:24 AM
We may have different views on here however I think it makes a pleasant change to have someone on here that supports Bid wihilst being humerous & friendly with the rest of the population, (ooops I mean us on the forum), who don't admire this company's general sales ethics currently. I still can't quite believe that you think the p&p & call charges are reasonable ILoveBid, but each to their own I guess :happy:

Thank you very much. Big kiss for you X

Ilovebid
10-01-2013, 12:27 AM
Funniest post on here please do me a favour situp tv HONEST yer right, pigs might fly.Come on these channels are clearly dying a small painful death, time is up for the likes of Peter Simon and Sally Jaxx thanks especially Jaxx ruined bidtv with there crap fashion ranges, I'd rather buy from the shops then buy from them.Ive never and will never buy from these ghastly channels, it's over now.oh no becque on tonight bloody Mark Reyes on AGAIN AND I hate these new presenters get rid.Not hardly watching theses fools any longer.

Hmm...but your still watching are you not?
These channels will re invent the format when sales dip too low, don't worry, do not worry, it's going to ok, everything is going to turn out font....these channels are never going anywhere! You might as well succumb now and get dialling because you really do need more Tanzanite...

Ilovebid
13-01-2013, 05:17 PM
Oh look, it's free P&P1