Decleor TSV 9/11/13

Mazza said:

Two things have puzzled me on this Decleor day.

Why do they all, and it has been ALL, say that the body lotion at 200mls is JUST SHY of the full size of 250mls. That is 20% less.... I call just shy about 240mls! I still think it is a good size but it is not just shy!

Why do they use Tanya for each show all day and all night? Her skin starts to look a bit red to me by the later shows and surely another model is available to use? She can't be the only one whose skin suits Decleor!!

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Scout said:

You're absolutely right Minxy, Elemis, Decleor, Gatineau etc. are all the same. They're very careful how they word their statements, usually saying something like "Elemis products are not tested on animals", and the statement is true because the law prevents them testing the finished products. The ingredients are another matter though, and if you ask them if their ingredients are cruelty-free they usually decline to clarify. I emailed Elemis about it and they tried to wriggle away from the truth by replying that "none of their ingredients are tested on animals by or for Elemis". I responded saying that doesn't mean they're not knowingly buying ingredients that are being animal tested by or for another skincare company, and could they please give me a straight answer to the straight question "Do you use ingredients derived from animals or that have been tested on animals?" - they didn't reply. I've emailed all the major skincare companies that use clever words to suggest they're cruelty-free, and they just don't answer when you pin them down.

Neither Decleor nor Elemis are accredited by Cruelty-Free International, which is the internationally acknowledged monitor and the main guide I use.

If you're interested, take a look at http://www.gocrueltyfree.org/

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spartacus said:

I don't trust Emma Hardie because over a year ago I asked them if they were certified and the response was that they were currently going through the certification process, yet they're still not certified so I think they were just telling me what I wanted to hear. I don't believe it would take over a year to become certified.

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MinxyKitten said:

Judith Williams always states she is totally cruelty free, not many of the presenters acknowledge this as I think they are afraid it will open a can of worms for questioning on other brands! Fair play to Jackie though, she did state this was excellent and really important to a lot of people.

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Why do they use Tanya for each show all day and all night? Her skin starts to look a bit red to me by the later shows

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Autumn said:

I hate to sound mean but it does annoy me when Julia raves about the Hydrontenseur eye serum , saying she cant live without it and that she cant stop using, sorry Julia but mayb you should stop using it coz its not helping you eyes :Surprise:

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MinxyKitten said:

Thanks Scout and Spartacus. Just as I thought. I tend to buy a lot of stuff from Superdrug and go to M&S for household cleaning stuff. I do have, and love, Elemis but I am always a bit uneasy using it. I know it may seem silly to a lot of people, but it really does irk me. I do tend to put more faith in companies which publicly state that none of their ingredients have been tested on animals, as I can't always go cruelty free. I like to buy make-up in the high street as much as possible so I can test the colours. I wish more would be up-front about it. I appreciate that not all of them can gain the leaping bunny award, as it probably takes time and a lot of money, but at least back up your claim with some cold, hard evidence. It's a minefield out there, it really is :-( But, thank god for Superdrug and M&S! Oh and looking at those lists it seems Sainsbury's, Co-op and Waitrose own brand stuff is also BUAV approved. Great for household products, but I don't hold out much hope for beauty products! Judith Williams always states she is totally cruelty free, not many of the presenters acknowledge this as I think they are afraid it will open a can of worms for questioning on other brands! Fair play to Jackie though, she did state this was excellent and really important to a lot of people.

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Scout said:

It depends whether they were using the word "certification" correctly I would think. If what they actually meant was that they were in the process of changing their processes, suppliers etc. in order to achieve certification, it could be true. I know it took M&S a good two years to change all their processes and suppliers to ensure their products are cruelty-free. Their old suppliers kicked up a hoo-hah in the press with "M&S Dumps Long-Term Suppliers" type headlines, and only when you read the articles did it explain that it was because the old suppliers refused to stop animal testing. On the other hand, if Emma Hardie were implying that they were cruelty-free and were just going through the formalities of getting certified, then I agree with you. I'm sure that wouldn't take over a year even allowing for having to wait for Cruelty-Free International to come and audit their production line. Either way, until they actually have the certification in their beautifully-groomed hands I'm not buying Emma Hardie.

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