Ophelia

[candycane]

I briefly caught a glimpse of Ophelia this morning and although I have thought recently that she had improved, what I did see today was the theatrical introduction of the guests with arm waving (no need, just tell us who they are) and then she mis-pronounced the word Clinique. Poor. She does try though but maybe too hard?

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[SisterBliss]

I briefly caught a glimpse of Ophelia this morning and although I have thought recently that she had improved, what I did see today was the theatrical introduction of the guests with arm waving (no need, just tell us who they are) and then she mis-pronounced the word Clinique. Poor. She does try though but maybe too hard?

CC

piss poor.

 

[Sazza]

Ahh Ophelia! Is it me or is she getting worse...I am not sure wether English is her second language.Instead of getting better shes seems to be getting worse. I am sure she is a nice person but its painful to listen to. Sorry!

Second language, why? She was born in London.

 

[boffy]

I didn't know that she was born in London. I thought English may have been a second language. Just a thought!

 

[stratobuddy]

No-one has answered my question in post 19 so I still don't know who she is

 

[Tinyfeet]

No-one has answered my question in post 19 so I still don't know who she is

Yes that is Ophelia

 

[Sazza]

I didn't know that she was born in London. I thought English may have been a second language. Just a thought!

Even if you didn't know she is from London, which I didn't until I Googled her, she doesn't sound like she is not from UK so seems a big leap to be thinking second language.

 

[Grizelda]

I think it was a joke about Ophelia's lack of comand of English because she makes so many grammatical errors. However, her accent is pure South London. I don't mind her accent, but I don't like her sloppy speech. Although Anne Dawson is a bit of a bore, she speaks perfectly.

 

[Deleted member 21838]

Empty vesselism is somewhat typical of many younger people and not just her. Not all younger people of course. But sloppy speech, reliance on empty buzz phrases, general misuse of words, tedious Americanisms, and lack of depth of feeling for the world around them now, or the history gone before them is something you encounter all too regularly. I am assuming (being at school from 1967 to 1979), that focus on your grammar and how you use language to best effect when expressing yourself verbally has gradually been eradicated in modern day education? Removal of formality - both in how we write, how we speak, and how we interact with strangers, it makes me despair. I don’t want to be called ‘guys’ when I go out for lunch - particularly alone!! I don’t want to be called Ricky by somebody at a bank call centre- even though my name is Cecil…I don’t want to see an advert about a woman in her pants sitting on a lavatory discussing feminine hygiene…Nothing is left to the imagination any longer. It’s all in yer face and loud…And back to QVC - I care not to endure some poorly educated girl using and saying literally wrongly every few words…so I don’t.

 

[Anna]

Empty vesselism is somewhat typical of many younger people and not just her. Not all younger people of course. But sloppy speech, reliance on empty buzz phrases, general misuse of words, tedious Americanisms, and lack of depth of feeling for the world around them now, or the history gone before them is something you encounter all too regularly. I am assuming (being at school from 1967 to 1979), that focus on your grammar and how you use language to best effect when expressing yourself verbally has gradually been eradicated in modern day education? Removal of formality - both in how we write, how we speak, and how we interact with strangers, it makes me despair. I don’t want to be called ‘guys’ when I go out for lunch - particularly alone!! I don’t want to be called Ricky by somebody at a bank call centre- even though my name is Cecil…I don’t want to see an advert about a woman in her pants sitting on a lavatory discussing feminine hygiene…Nothing is left to the imagination any longer. It’s all in yer face and loud…And back to QVC - I care not to endure some poorly educated girl using and saying literally wrongly every few words…so I don’t.

Agree completely. An admin on a Facebook forum I'm on, all women members, keeps saying, morning guys, happy whatever day guys, etc. For god's sake, I'm not a flaming guy.

I hate the way the world seems to be heading, and hate the fact if you say something you get abuse back. I don't want to see what I think of as vulgar adverts either.

If someone is doing a job, I expect it to be done to the best of their ability, maybe in Ophelia's case she is, but if so, in my mind, it is not good enough. Maybe I'm just a grumpy older person.

 

[Deleted member 21838]

Hear, hear. No arguments from me on what you say. It’s gone beyond challenging how life is now, unfortunately. I have as little part of it as I can. But having a partner who loves going out and socialising, it gets thrust in my face, literally. When did it all change? The development of the Net, I would guess. It has removed the hard work from doing most things in life. The young don‘t know a life without both it and mobile phones glued to their hands. I cannot imagine how they would deal without a life of food being delivered, 24 hour shopping, instant communication wherever they are virtually, watching any film they want whenever, social media - all this stuff that is so vital to them, but in the greater scheme of life, meaningless. Despite how crucial all this stuff apparently is, we lived quite happily without nearly all of it right up to the late 1990s essentially, and we had perfectly adequate lives, with face to face friends who saw you, rang you, did more than send emoticons when you are in crisis. 3D people in your life, rather than texts and chat boxes…Seeing both sides of how life was and is, I would grab how life was 30 years ago, say, in an instant.

 

[SisterBliss]

Empty vesselism is somewhat typical of many younger people and not just her. Not all younger people of course. But sloppy speech, reliance on empty buzz phrases, general misuse of words, tedious Americanisms, and lack of depth of feeling for the world around them now, or the history gone before them is something you encounter all too regularly. I am assuming (being at school from 1967 to 1979), that focus on your grammar and how you use language to best effect when expressing yourself verbally has gradually been eradicated in modern day education? Removal of formality - both in how we write, how we speak, and how we interact with strangers, it makes me despair. I don’t want to be called ‘guys’ when I go out for lunch - particularly alone!! I don’t want to be called Ricky by somebody at a bank call centre- even though my name is Cecil…I don’t want to see an advert about a woman in her pants sitting on a lavatory discussing feminine hygiene…Nothing is left to the imagination any longer. It’s all in yer face and loud…And back to QVC - I care not to endure some poorly educated girl using and saying literally wrongly every few words…so I don’t.

Indeed.

Meanwhile, that really is a most splendid full coated canine you have (Pic)

Hear, hear. No arguments from me on what you say. It’s gone beyond challenging how life is now, unfortunately. I have as little part of it as I can. But having a partner who loves going out and socialising, it gets thrust in my face, literally. When did it all change? The development of the Net, I would guess. It has removed the hard work from doing most things in life. The young don‘t know a life without both it and mobile phones glued to their hands. I cannot imagine how they would deal without a life of food being delivered, 24 hour shopping, instant communication wherever they are virtually, watching any film they want whenever, social media - all this stuff that is so vital to them, but in the greater scheme of life, meaningless. Despite how crucial all this stuff apparently is, we lived quite happily without nearly all of it right up to the late 1990s essentially, and we had perfectly adequate lives, with face to face friends who saw you, rang you, did more than send emoticons when you are in crisis. 3D people in your life, rather than texts and chat boxes…Seeing both sides of how life was and is, I would grab how life was 30 years ago, say, in an instant.

Indeedy.

There was an episode of The Apprentice (an entirely new thread!) a week or so back, & in the 'task', only paper maps were allowed to navigate an unknown city. None of the f***wits could read a map, but all had (allegedly) successful businesses.

 

[Deleted member 21838]

And one of them didn’t know what a navel was. It had to be gently explained to him that navel is the adult word for belly button. They literally cannot function without a mobile phone in their hand.

 

[Deleted member 21838]

Indeed.

Meanwhile, that really is a most splendid full coated canine you have (Pic)


Indeedy.

There was an episode of The Apprentice (an entirely new thread!) a week or so back, & in the 'task', only paper maps were allowed to navigate an unknown city. None of the f***wits could read a map, but all had (allegedly) successful businesses.

One of my dog walking customers. Former farm Collie, now with a better life away from it.

 

[Brissles]

I think it was a joke about Ophelia's lack of comand of English because she makes so many grammatical errors. However, her accent is pure South London. I don't mind her accent, but I don't like her sloppy speech. Although Anne Dawson is a bit of a bore, she speaks perfectly.

Would that be Sarf London ?

Empty vesselism is somewhat typical of many younger people and not just her. Not all younger people of course. But sloppy speech, reliance on empty buzz phrases, general misuse of words, tedious Americanisms, and lack of depth of feeling for the world around them now, or the history gone before them is something you encounter all too regularly. I am assuming (being at school from 1967 to 1979), that focus on your grammar and how you use language to best effect when expressing yourself verbally has gradually been eradicated in modern day education? Removal of formality - both in how we write, how we speak, and how we interact with strangers, it makes me despair. I don’t want to be called ‘guys’ when I go out for lunch - particularly alone!! I don’t want to be called Ricky by somebody at a bank call centre- even though my name is Cecil…I don’t want to see an advert about a woman in her pants sitting on a lavatory discussing feminine hygiene…Nothing is left to the imagination any longer. It’s all in yer face and loud…And back to QVC - I care not to endure some poorly educated girl using and saying literally wrongly every few words…so I don’t.

I'm not going to denigrate all teachers, but when I see them in schools (and my niece is a Head Teacher), it doesn't seem to be in their remit to pull up children on their method of speech.. Even a simple sentence "it ain't right Miss" should be corrected at the point its spoken. Sadly many teachers are not exactly articulate themselves, so children haven't a chance. Accent is not a problem but enunciation is.

In my school days - 1953 to 1965, yes it was a different time, but our teachers looked, dressed and behaved like our parents, so if we played up we were disciplined, if we spoke in slang we were corrected, but teachers today look, and dress like our older siblings so the lines become blurred.


As for 'guys', I rebel. Just let anyone dare to call me 'guy' in a shop/restaurant or bar, and I call them out on it. Even when I'm handed a bottle of drink instead of a glass I say "do I look like the sort of person who would drink out of a bottle ? " If we all give in who knows where it will end.

 

[candycane]

Ahh yes Sarf London. I lived there for 10 years, Thamesmead, Abbeywood, Plumstead, Woolwich then I got all posh and moved to Eltham That was the 80's and yes, people had daan saaarf accents but it was never a problem. There was never "like" every second word and "yeah, no" every sentence. People laughed at my weird accent but everyone could construct a sentence. Times move on though and the younger generation's language will always eventually take over.

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[Grizelda]

I think it would be more like 'sauf' London! Language is constantly changing and new words added to dictionaries ever year. Accents change too due people moving location for work and so on. It's interesting to realise how the Royal Family's accent has changed. The King speaks with the same Edwardian pronunciation as those before him, but his children have dropped this old fashioned way of speech. The change is mostly in the vowel sounds.

 

[maymorganlondon]

I think it would be more like 'sauf' London! Language is constantly changing and new words added to dictionaries ever year. Accents change too due people moving location for work and so on. It's interesting to realise how the Royal Family's accent has changed. The King speaks with the same Edwardian pronunciation as those before him, but his children have dropped this old fashioned way of speech. The change is mostly in the vowel sounds.

It’s fascinating listening to the late Queen. Her accent changed dramatically over the course of her life. It is interesting that King Charles’ accent hasn’t changed as much.
Many accents have changed, but not just in our own era. There’s a channel I enjoy watching on YouTube where he actually speaks in accents for the same place over time. It’s quite an eye-opener.

 

[Deleted member 21838]

I was born in central London, lived my first 25 years in north London, went to a large all boys comprehensive school in Hornsey in the mid-1970s there, where at times I was one of about five white British origin boys in the class of around 30. A very multicultural experience. And apart from the Greek Cypriot boys not liking the Turks and Turkish Cypriot ones (the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus), everybody getting on well - black, white, Asian, Chinese etc. with plenty of mixed ethnicity friendships. But more interestingly for me now, is listening to how the London accent of young people today from similar working class catchment schools has developed almost into a hybrid of how the white kids from the 70s generally spoke, mixed in with how a lot of the black ones did at the same time. With many adopting then a West Indian intonation cultural identity to how they spoke - even though most if not all had been born and brought up here. Nowadays, I can hear a teenager speaking, for example, on the telly, and not turning around to look, I think it is a black kid. Then I look, and it’s actually a white person expressing themselves.

Accents fascinate me and always have done. The other thing I notice here in Nottingham is the number of kids from local schools who have no trace of a Nottingham accent whatsoever. Speaking almost like they come from the London and the Home Counties south of England with no discernible accent at all. It saddens me to see what is rather an attractive local accent being airbrushed out of daily use for the young people born and being educated here. Local identity lost.

 

[Brissles]

That's a very interesting read DofC . I've often wondered why, when seeing the 2nd and 3rd generations of say, the Windrush generation, on tv and being interviewed, why they tend to still speak as though they were born and raised in the West Indies, yet were born and schooled here.