Has she lost it?

[Moth]

On the last showing of the TSV last night, I was gobsmacked by the comment made by Debbie Flint. A woman sent a question in to ask when the 100ml PCMC would be available again but Keeley wasn't sure. DF went on to tell us that, because of the Elemis TSV being on easy pay, that if you were wanting to get 100ml of the PCMC you could buy a several of the TSV's, take out the PCMC and give the rest away. Excuse me? You'd have to have bought 7 kits to make up 100ml from the 15ml travel size supplied. Even on easy pay, that would have been a first payment of almost £100, plus P&P that would have amounted to about £15. Take that over 4 easy pays and you're looking at over £400. Did she drop a few marbles on her way to the studio? It appears that she may have though the tubes in the TSV were 30ml in size, but even then the total cost would still be over £200. Quite excessive for a product you can find on ebay for £45! I thought the TSV was a cop out anyway. All but two of the products were travel size (which, IMO, is just newspeak for sample!). Perhaps it's just me?

 

[lynnonthelake]

I do believe DF is the worst one for trying to make you buy more than one,I remember a Tahitian Pearl necklace that was over a £1000 and she suggested you get 2 of them as you could give the other as a present FFS.
Lynn :mysmilie_1:

 

[China Girl]

I saw that too Moth, I could hardly believe my ears.
Get this, get that, give it all away as presents etc. etc.
I'm fed up of hearing about presents on Q, we all have bills to pay and buy ourselves a treat now and then, but who can afford to give expensive stuff like that away, just to get a small tube of pcmc.
That woman encourages such reckless spending, and sadly there are some who will end up in debt because of it. Yes it's their choice to buy or not, but some people are gullible or vulnerable, or both, and you only have to listen to some of the T callers to know that.

 

[Akimbo]

If anyone were gullible enough to believe Debbie's hilarious sales pitch their family should confiscate their credit card and block the shopping channels. She makes me laugh. People need to take responsibility for their spending. The presenters who convince the viewer that they're their best friend are far more dangerous than Debbie Flint's bonkers suggestions.

 

[Mazza]

I'm not gobsmacked at all Moth! I posted on the TSV thread that she was doing her usual buy loads routine early on in that show, and then plugging her book! She knows no shame! Lots of people are really stretched at the moment and it would be a treat to buy one TSV, so I think she is very tactless when she bangs on about multiple purchases. I fully accept that everyone is responsible for their own purchases, but she is just very tactless IMHO (plus other adjectives like ghastly, brash etc. spring to mind!). I do find it amusing though that they like to pretend to be a classy operation with prestige brands and then have an old trout like DF who is just like a market trader!! Roll up, roll up!!!!

 

[Akimbo]

Caveat emptor!

I'm not sure I understand the outrage that Debbie Flint elicits from many forum members; her type of extraordinary patter is one of the many things which drew me to watching shopping channels. When they have 60 minutes to fill talking about one or two items I'm amazed at the nonsense they spout.

I read similar posts on the Bid forum - whereas I marvel at the depths to which their sales pitches sink, there are some who think shopping and auction channels owe a duty of care to never exaggerate or fib about having bought and loved an item. It's this inane wittering that I love.

I'm not talking about claims that break the laws governing telly selling, but I love a bit of car-crash selling, the curiously embellished anecdotes to draw in the punters and the elaborate calculations the presenter uses to justify a buy of £80 because you'll be saving £140 and you won't have to pay parking, petrol and for a cake at Costa all factored into the convoluted equation!

They're sales-people trying to meet targets. I know there are vulnerable people out there but I don't think selly presenters owe a greater duty of care to discourage over-spending than any other sales person.

 

[alter ego]

This kind of hard sell is laughable to "normal" people, but is very irresponsible to some. I belong to a mental health charity group and have seen people who truly believe that these "nice people" on the telly are their "friends" (I know of two who have tried calling in several times). They believe what they are told, and as one lady in particular explained, she thought she was "helping" one presenter by doing exactly this. Some volunteers have actually had gifts from a few that were what they'd considered too expensive to give to their own good friends - obviously a kit split up.

So this kind of hard sell does actually work - a pity the guilty presenters don't see the hardship it causes. I know these cases are rare, but they really do have the worst consequences for genuinely nice people.

 

[louise66]

On the last showing of the TSV last night, I was gobsmacked by the comment made by Debbie Flint. A woman sent a question in to ask when the 100ml PCMC would be available again but Keeley wasn't sure. DF went on to tell us that, because of the Elemis TSV being on easy pay, that if you were wanting to get 100ml of the PCMC you could buy a several of the TSV's, take out the PCMC and give the rest away. Excuse me? You'd have to have bought 7 kits to make up 100ml from the 15ml travel size supplied. Even on easy pay, that would have been a first payment of almost £100, plus P&P that would have amounted to about £15. Take that over 4 easy pays and you're looking at over £400. Did she drop a few marbles on her way to the studio? It appears that she may have though the tubes in the TSV were 30ml in size, but even then the total cost would still be over £200. Quite excessive for a product you can find on ebay for £45! I thought the TSV was a cop out anyway. All but two of the products were travel size (which, IMO, is just newspeak for sample!). Perhaps it's just me?

Debs has always been my favoured presenter; recently I have become more aware, however, that some of the more negative comments about her presenting style on this forum, are, erm, understandable? She does come across sometimes, as being rather desperate, so much so, that she will use any analogy to persuade the viewer to buy a product. I would think that, although the PCMC was in the tsv it was, as stated above, a 15ml size; on past performance, this should not affect availability of a 30ml pot.
In the past, Debs' full on approach to sales, hasn't bothered me and still doesn't, as I purchase something because I want it, for my own reasons, and not because anyone on air recommends it, and tells me it is the best thing since electricity was invented. Whilst I do like her as a person, maybe she should rein herself in a bit, as I can understand how some people may find her a bit OTT.

 

[Wornoutcreditcard]

Debbie Flint is starting to grate on me. When I previously could put up with her commonness and vulgar presentation style. I think she has very little clue about what comes out of her mouth she strikes me as someone who can't quite believe she is getting away with being on TV and is milking it for all it's worth.

 

[Crinkly]

So this kind of hard sell does actually work - a pity the guilty presenters don't see the hardship it causes. I know these cases are rare, but they really do have the worst consequences for genuinely nice people.

You make a very good point. But unfortunately shopping telly is just one out of many influences that surround us daily. The payday loan adverts, the buy-one-get-one-free offers, the interest free credit adverts, the sexualising of 14 year old models to sell anti aging creams. Or underwear. Or whatever. Doorstep salesmen, car salesmen, insurance salesmen...

I think shopping telly is far better regulated than many of the above, and DF stays more within the lines than people I have seen elsewhere.

I see the Q as a far lesser problem than some tv adverts!

 

[HYPE in a JAR]

I saw this too and was left open-mouthed. Incredulous.

She either has lost it or she has a totally warped sense of humour and is taking the piss.

On the same show she mocked the viewers, putting on a stupid voice, saying something along the lines of, "Oh it's gone limited stock, what is it? Oh I don't care I'll just get it as it's gone limited." Condescending and insulting. Someone needs to have a word.

 

[Vienna]

Most people have a sense of perspective when watching any shopping channel. They take everything said with a pinch of salt, huff and puff at the often cr*p items on sale, raise their eyebrows at the p and p costs, trot off and compare prices elsewhere online before jumping to the phones or clicking the buy button, shout abuse at stupid presenters and generally don`t give two hoots. NOTHING sold on Q is worth getting into deep debt for or worth buying by the bucket load because the one thing about Q is the repetitive tsv`s and shows, especially with the likes of Elemis, LE and others.
When DF spouts her rubbish and opens her mouth before engaging her brain I daresay 99% of us see it for what it is. It doesn`t make good viewing IMO, I can`t see the need for it but that`s the measure of the presenter and the company she works for and as someone said earlier, there`s nothing set in concrete that shopping channels and presenters need to have a duty of care towards gullible, vulnerable or downright daft customers. There will always be people who have an addictive personality, who believe every word they hear, who are lonely and see the presenters as friends, who can`t see wood for the trees and who can`t resist spending money they often don`t actually have. I worked in a homeless hostel for 13 years and many of the people I met were homeless because of debt. Thousands of pounds in debt, credit cards, pay day loans, bank overdrafts, addictive shopping, HP, etc etc and the more they got into debt, then the more certain companies offered to lend them and credit card companies and banks just kept raising overdraft and credit card limits but sooner or later the bubble always bursts and the house of cards comes tumbling down. People often lose eveything even though the whole thing started off small with a bunch of easy pays, a Provident cheque, an extra credit card or a small payday loan. We are masters of our own financial destinies and Q, its presenters, other shopping channels, facebook ads, emails from stores and websites are all just a small cog in the big wheel of buy today, pay tomorrow and retail brain washing.

 

[Brissles]

The lady who enquired (who kicked this all off) about the 100 ml marine cream, should surf the net and discover that Debenhams still have stocks of the Anniversary edition 100 ml for £99 !!

Keely really should have been up to speed as to whether more stocks of a product she is representing will be available, especially their top seller; saying "don't know" smacks of incompetence.

 

[boffy]

Debbie flints mouth is like a run away train and the passenger is "sell sell sell"

 

[whitesnake]

I switch off when DF is on now. The hard sell is too much for me and she spouts too much c***. Also I am scared for my tv because if I hear her mention her sodding book one more time I am liable to chuck a brick through it!

 

[Jazzydrury]

Working on a shopping channel doesn't mean you need to be hard sell, IW seem to be able to sell stuff, but not doing the hard sell, you never hear there presenters saying that you have to be multiples off, and if anything sell there products, in what I would call a very laid back and friendly mode.

 

[Totally Loopy Lou]

On the OPI show an avoplex collection came on (at less than £16 - forget the £3 pandp!) and she is hyperventilating. And she just told us to buy one for... CHRISTMAS?!!

I dont personally find her ott and hard sell approach irresponsible particularly but I DO find it unbearable and lacking in any charm or class. She's got such an ego too - always harping on about her book, blog, Facebook fans etc! Ugh

 

[Totally Loopy Lou]

Am only watching now for Debbie Desperado She just started yelling 'I don't care!' If you don't want the colours 'sell it on eBay!' Or give it away I don't care! It's a bargain etc etc. the opi guest looked a bi aghast - esp the eBay comment. I know loads of people do sell off the parts of TSV's that they don't want but surely qvc shouldn't be advising them to do so?!

 

[Loveinamist]

Watching the tsv launch, well forget THIS tsv, she immediately started on the colour collection of a different order number, which are only available to Q customers worldwide, but not available yet but in August! I thought it very, very confusing and desperate.

 

[Mazza]

In one show Huntley was telling us Q was like a top store, a club even for which we are lucky enough NOT TO HAVE TO PAY membership fees. DF comes on and acts like someone off Eastenders' market. I think Q needs to sort out which image it is trying to project.